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A break out group on extended chroma formats was held on Tuesday 17th and Wednesday 18th July, covering topics on test material selection, test conditions and a more in-depth presentation of proposals JCTVC-J0191 [1] and JCTVC-J0357 [2] that provide software models for 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 chroma formats.
The BoG reviewed the currently available test material with a view to select material for testing during the next meeting cycle for use by a possible AHG. A viewing session was arranged to examine the JCTVC-0197 [3] sequences.
Each sequence should be 10s (with the exception of Traffic).
4:4:4 shall be in R′G′B′ and Y′CbCr? (or Y′CoCg?) (or constant-luminance Y′CbCr)
4:2:2 shall be in Y′CbCr.
Suggestion: pick material from different productions, rather than different material from within a single production to reduce systematic biases.
Suggestion: concern about lack of diversity if converting from 4:4:4 to 4:2:2.
Suggestion: take two 4:4:4 sequences and reuse as 4:2:2
Sequences should be provided on uni-hannover ftp site in the appropriate format.
Comment: All processing and conversions must be documented.
Comment: Traffic gives 4k content
Suggestion: For any 4k sequence, crop to 2560×1600 as per current Class-A.
How many sequences? Suggestion: 5 – 8
Should the test material exercise something?
Recommendation: Use the following sequences (Table 2): kimono, parkscene, birds-in-cage, ducks-and-legs, traffic, crowd-run, old-town, seeking.
Recommendation: Use the following sequences (Table 2): Kids Soccer, graphics, horse, water rocks close, birds-in-cage, ducks-and-legs, kimono, traffic.
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Kimono | 10s | 1920x1080 | 24 | R′G′B′ | 10 | Sony HDC-F950 | CoSME | TBD | J0152 | ||||||||||
Parkscene | 10s | 1920x1080 | 24 | R′G′B′ | 10 | Sony HDC-F950 | CoSME | TBD | J0152 | ||||||||||
Birds-in-cage | 10s | 1920x1080 | 60 | R′G′B′ | 10 | HDCAM-SR | Plannet inc | 1 week | J0197 | ||||||||||
Ducks-and-legs | 10s | 1920x1080 | 60 | R′G′B′ | 10 | HDCAM-SR | Plannet inc | 1 week | J0197 | ||||||||||
Traffic | 5s | 2560x1600 | 30 | R′G′B′ | 10 | ? | ? | 1 week | J0197 | ||||||||||
Crowd-run | 10s | 1920x1080 | 50 | RGB | 16 | SVT/EBU | 1 week | I0108 | |||||||||||
Old-town | 10s | 1920x1080 | 50 | RGB | 16 | SVT/EBU | 1 week | I0108 | |||||||||||
Seeking | 10s | 1920x1080 | 50 | RGB | 16 | SVT/EBU | 1 week | I0108 | |||||||||||
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Kids soccer | 10s | 1920x1080 | 50 | Y′CbCr | 10 | ArriFlex | EBU | 1 | J0152 | ||||||||||
Graphics | 10s | 1920x1080 | 50 | Y′CbCr | 10 | Sony F35 | EBU | 1 | J0152 | ||||||||||
Horse | 10s | 1920x1080 | 50 | Y′CbCr | 10 | Sony F35 | EBU | 1 | J0152 | ||||||||||
Water rocks close | 10s | 1920x1080 | 50 | Y′CbCr | 10 | Sony F35 | EBU | 1 | J0152 | ||||||||||
Birds-in-cage | 10s | 1920x1080 | 60 | Y′CbCr | 10 | HDCAM-SR | Plannet inc | 1 week | J0197 | ||||||||||
Ducks-and-legs | 10s | 1920x1080 | 60 | Y′CbCr | 10 | HDCAM-SR | Plannet inc | 1 week | J0197 | ||||||||||
Kimono | 10s | 1920x1080 | 24 | Y′CbCr | 10 | Sony HDC-F950 | CoSME | TBD | J0152 | ||||||||||
Traffic | 5s | 2560x1600 | 30 | Y′CbCr | 10 | ? | ? | 2weeks | J0197 | ||||||||||
Suggestion: UHDTV defines constant luminance, we should have some constant-luminance sequences with the new chromaticity coordinates.
Suggestion: we should look at 10 bit parameters only for now.
Suggestion: can also try 8 bit (for comparison with main/he10) Recommend (initially) to keep current configurations (modified only for chroma format)
QPs: comment: introduce extra QPs
Suggestion: examine bitrate/quality of 10-bit standard QPs with a view to reviewing the test conditions.
Comment: different QPs for 8 and 10bit?
Comment: keeping some overlap between 8 and 10bit will allow for some comparison.
Suggestion: keep 8-bit same, examine 10bit.
R′G′B′, Y′CbCr, Y′CoCg, Y C’Cb_CCr_C
Suggestion: work on 4:4:4 at greater than 8-bit would be appropriate for still image compression, for lossless compression of still pictures R′G′B′ and Y′CoCg might be used.
Suggestion: Take Y′CbCr as a starting point, make R′G′B′/RGB available for people to investigate and recommend.
Question: if alternative formats are used, will sequences be made available?
Suggestion: Yes, or (ideally, and) provide the software. MD5 sums shall also be provided.
Comment: it would be useful to compare the evaluation method used for 4:4:4, see JVT document.
Comment about bitrates: Beware when lowering QP, that bitrate doesn’t become insane.
Comment: application areas operate at different bitrates: Very high (low compression ratio) (currently for AVC up to 500Mbps–1Gbps 1080p30 4:4:4), High (currently for AVC 100Mbps)
Comment: benefit of HEVC might be to enable currently “difficult” applications eg 1080p60/120 to use current bitrates.
Comment: be aware that there have been issues with low QPs in the HM
Suggestion: pick only one.
Suggestion: pick low-delay, it allows us to see the performance of inter.
Recommendation: pick low-delay (B)
Comment: Examining re-ordered sequence is not discouraged.
Suggestion: test against JM 18.3, as that is the current state of the art
Comment: JM configuration files are required
Comment: there are some problems with JM 18.3 configuration. (with low delay, at 14bit)
Comment: some other proposals may have JM configurations we can reuse
Suggestion: review (and show) all test material that has been used at the next meeting
Problem: critical viewing environment.
Problem: viewing equipment. Consult with Vittorio on facilities.
Comment: reviewing material can be done in 8-bit, which isn’t so critical.
Suggestion: Some form of screen content / animated content
Suggestion: sharper material / More vivid (ie, greater chroma excursion)
Suggestion: greater than 10-bit.
Suggestion: linear would be lovely, allows us to do what we want.
Comment: EBU 4k sequences might be available for IBC (September)
Suggestion: Review common test conditions.
Note: A subsequent revision (v3) of JCTVC-J0191 provides software using HM-7.1 as a base. This revision also integrates a number of features in JCTVC-J0357.
[1] P. Silcock, K. Sharman, N. Saunders, and J. Gamei, “AHG12: Extension of HM7 to Support Additional Chroma Formats.” document JCTVC-J0191, July 2012.
[2] K. Kawamura, T. Yoshino, and S. Naito, “AHG12: 4:2:2/4:4:4 chroma format extension for HEVC Version 2.” document JCTVC-J0357, July 2012.
[3] K. Sugimoto and S. Sekiguchi, “AHG12: 4:4:4 test sequences for professional extension development.” document JCTVC-J0197, July 2012.
[4] T. Suzuki, P. Silcock, K. Sharman, N. Saunders, J. Gamei, and A. Tabatabai, “Proposals on HEVC professional extensions.” document JCTVC-J0152, July 2012.